Comments on: Much Drama and a Missed Penalty Send New Zealand to World Cup http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html World Cup South Africa 2010 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:45:51 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Hideo http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575263 Hideo Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:16:45 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575263 The way to incorporate OFC in to the Asian qualifiers IMO is this: OFC qualification round takes place as before and produces a winner. They then take a place in the Asian final round of qualifying, so in effect the OFC is a regional qualifier to the Asian final round of qualifying. NZ (or Solomon Islands or Fiji...) would then play in a group of 5 or 6 or whatever with the top 2 places in each group going to the World Cup. This way they have to earn their spot. Of course the other option is for OFC to be fully incorporated into Asia... The way to incorporate OFC in to the Asian qualifiers IMO is this:
OFC qualification round takes place as before and produces a winner.
They then take a place in the Asian final round of qualifying, so in effect the OFC is a regional qualifier to the Asian final round of qualifying. NZ (or Solomon Islands or Fiji…) would then play in a group of 5 or 6 or whatever with the top 2 places in each group going to the World Cup.
This way they have to earn their spot. Of course the other option is for OFC to be fully incorporated into Asia…

]]> By: Coconut http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575187 Coconut Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:23:13 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575187 "In qualifying, the All-Whites had to fight off the opposition from such powerhouses as New Caledona, Fiji and Vanuatu to take the top spot" epic. “In qualifying, the All-Whites had to fight off the opposition from such powerhouses as New Caledona, Fiji and Vanuatu to take the top spot”

epic.

]]> By: Marcus http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575180 Marcus Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:08:11 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575180 Jose that is BS mate because the NZ football association have also stated that they are trying to get into the AFC because Wellington Phoenix want to be guaranteed a place in the A-League (which is under threat due to there OFC status) and if they win the league they want to play in the ACL (currently as there are appart of the OFC they chant compete in the ACL). If you have followed the A-League im sure you would have heard about all the noise from the disgruntled ACF who want Wellington out of the A-League (and have tryed to push them out of the league). Sam I'm not saying NZ are world class nor am i saying that its not unfortunate that some teams that you could say deserved to qualify didnt. im trying to say is that its not Portugals or any other teams right to qualify because they are a better team or has a bigger reputation. I think its harsh to say a team like Hungary deserve to qualify, 4 of the 5 wins were against Malta and Albania and they beat Denmark who'd already qualified at that stage... Its true NZ arent a great team, but they have a path to the WC like every other team, its the only path an OFC team has and they have taken it. Maybe the only reason I am arguing that its there right to be there is because we (Australia) have been there, the WC changed the nations football mentality. Now we have a national league that is stable and football has much more focus in the country and plays a bigger role in communities. As an A-League support I believe that NZ trained for this immensely as Wellington (6 players are NZ int. starting 11) who are cellar dwellers beat the top team 6-0 after the 0-0 draw to Barhain. I guess what im trying to say is that down here (Australia and NZ) making the WC isnt just an achievement for football as it changes the whole country, it is a step forward for football. IF NZ arent allowed to qualify then dont call it the World Cup, because your excluding parts of the world. All i can say is this will change football in NZ forever. PS Bolivia beating Arg 6-1 was due to Maradonna imo if it was the normal full strength team i doubt it would have been the result. fe anyways Jose that is BS mate because the NZ football association have also stated that they are trying to get into the AFC because Wellington Phoenix want to be guaranteed a place in the A-League (which is under threat due to there OFC status) and if they win the league they want to play in the ACL (currently as there are appart of the OFC they chant compete in the ACL). If you have followed the A-League im sure you would have heard about all the noise from the disgruntled ACF who want Wellington out of the A-League (and have tryed to push them out of the league).

Sam I’m not saying NZ are world class nor am i saying that its not unfortunate that some teams that you could say deserved to qualify didnt. im trying to say is that its not Portugals or any other teams right to qualify because they are a better team or has a bigger reputation. I think its harsh to say a team like Hungary deserve to qualify, 4 of the 5 wins were against Malta and Albania and they beat Denmark who’d already qualified at that stage…

Its true NZ arent a great team, but they have a path to the WC like every other team, its the only path an OFC team has and they have taken it.
Maybe the only reason I am arguing that its there right to be there is because we (Australia) have been there, the WC changed the nations football mentality. Now we have a national league that is stable and football has much more focus in the country and plays a bigger role in communities. As an A-League support I believe that NZ trained for this immensely as Wellington (6 players are NZ int. starting 11) who are cellar dwellers beat the top team 6-0 after the 0-0 draw to Barhain.

I guess what im trying to say is that down here (Australia and NZ) making the WC isnt just an achievement for football as it changes the whole country, it is a step forward for football. IF NZ arent allowed to qualify then dont call it the World Cup, because your excluding parts of the world. All i can say is this will change football in NZ forever.

PS Bolivia beating Arg 6-1 was due to Maradonna imo if it was the normal full strength team i doubt it would have been the result. fe anyways

]]> By: Sam http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575179 Sam Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:20:40 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575179 So New Zealand played like a world class team? Please elaborate. And don't pretend like you don't see the point I'm making with my "working hard for the last couple of years" bit. Ireland go undefeated (10 matches) in a group with Italy (no 4-3 losses, no sir!) and they still have to face France (which is about the same caliber as Bahrain, granted...) to make it. You can call me naive because I look at it in such a simple way, but simple is what works. Hungary wins 5 of 10 and gets 4 points off of Denmark in their group, and they finish fourth. Poland wins 3 matches and gets 11 points but finishes second last in their group ahead of San Marino. Finland amasses 18 points despite the presence of Germany and Russia in their pool. Bolivia beat both Argentina (6-1) and Brazil. Either Egypt or Algeria will not be part of festivities next summer despite winning 4 of 6 in the group. To me that sounds deserving of a spot at the World Cup, more than, say, a team that lost 0-2 to Fiji at home in the group stage and had to rely on Bahrain missing six hundred chances in their playoff. So New Zealand played like a world class team? Please elaborate.
And don’t pretend like you don’t see the point I’m making with my “working hard for the last couple of years” bit. Ireland go undefeated (10 matches) in a group with Italy (no 4-3 losses, no sir!) and they still have to face France (which is about the same caliber as Bahrain, granted…) to make it. You can call me naive because I look at it in such a simple way, but simple is what works.
Hungary wins 5 of 10 and gets 4 points off of Denmark in their group, and they finish fourth.
Poland wins 3 matches and gets 11 points but finishes second last in their group ahead of San Marino.
Finland amasses 18 points despite the presence of Germany and Russia in their pool.
Bolivia beat both Argentina (6-1) and Brazil.
Either Egypt or Algeria will not be part of festivities next summer despite winning 4 of 6 in the group.
To me that sounds deserving of a spot at the World Cup, more than, say, a team that lost 0-2 to Fiji at home in the group stage and had to rely on Bahrain missing six hundred chances in their playoff.

]]> By: Jose http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575177 Jose Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:55:54 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575177 "NZ cant go to the AFC because the AFC refuses to take them " BS. The NZ federation has publicly declared they have no intention of switching, specifically BECAUSE they get so many advantages from being the only country in their confederation with a decent team. Think about it: they get an automatic spot in the Confederations Cup, a generous road to the World Cup, and even a club in the Club World Cup every year. Plus a disproportionate amount of FIFA "development funds". All you said is nonsense because, while noble to give developing (in football terms) teams a chance, the current system gives New Zealand an undeserving, stupid shot at qualification. Why not give that spot to Canada to develop? China? “NZ cant go to the AFC because the AFC refuses to take them ”

BS. The NZ federation has publicly declared they have no intention of switching, specifically BECAUSE they get so many advantages from being the only country in their confederation with a decent team. Think about it: they get an automatic spot in the Confederations Cup, a generous road to the World Cup, and even a club in the Club World Cup every year. Plus a disproportionate amount of FIFA “development funds”.

All you said is nonsense because, while noble to give developing (in football terms) teams a chance, the current system gives New Zealand an undeserving, stupid shot at qualification. Why not give that spot to Canada to develop? China?

]]> By: Marcus http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575176 Marcus Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:36:42 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575176 Italy 4, New Zealand 3... I am not saying that the spots for the WC should be distributed equally, fair enough the way it is, but why shouldnt the OFC get one spot? NZ cant go to the AFC because the AFC refuses to take them ( they are trying to get in but they cant as im sure you wouldnt know )...If you want to speak about Asian and Oceanic football politics lets go, I'm sure you have no clue as your so naive (eg. 'we’d be glad to have you at the World Cup to get your head smashed in by all the other teams *who’ve worked hard for the last couple of years*' Hmm so the NZ plays havent even been training or trying to qualify, they just rocked up and won on the day...) Why should Croatia, Portugal, Sweden get a spot over NZ? its not there fault that a team such as Portugal cant play like a world class team, they have an equal opportunity at qualifying. NZ being in the WC is an achievement, and needs to happen so the nation can progress on the football stage, if there not good enough there not good enough but football is all about David Vs. Goliath contests and im sure New Zealand can do themselves proud weather they leave with a win or no points, they have made a big step Italy 4, New Zealand 3…

I am not saying that the spots for the WC should be distributed equally, fair enough the way it is, but why shouldnt the OFC get one spot?

NZ cant go to the AFC because the AFC refuses to take them ( they are trying to get in but they cant as im sure you wouldnt know )…If you want to speak about Asian and Oceanic football politics lets go, I’m sure you have no clue as your so naive (eg. ‘we’d be glad to have you at the World Cup to get your head smashed in by all the other teams *who’ve worked hard for the last couple of years*’ Hmm so the NZ plays havent even been training or trying to qualify, they just rocked up and won on the day…)

Why should Croatia, Portugal, Sweden get a spot over NZ? its not there fault that a team such as Portugal cant play like a world class team, they have an equal opportunity at qualifying.

NZ being in the WC is an achievement, and needs to happen so the nation can progress on the football stage, if there not good enough there not good enough but football is all about David Vs. Goliath contests and im sure New Zealand can do themselves proud weather they leave with a win or no points, they have made a big step

]]> By: Sam http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575175 Sam Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:42:13 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575175 And hah, I didn't notice my list was alphabetical. Good eye. And hah, I didn’t notice my list was alphabetical. Good eye.

]]> By: Sam http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575174 Sam Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:38:31 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575174 Australia is a good team, which is why they got the hell out of that joke of a confederation to have some real competition. Nobody took them that lightly at the World Cup. On the other hand, New Zealand couldn't score against Iraq and South Africa and got their asses handed to them by Spain. They. Are. Going. To. Get. Killed. If they get a point against whoever, that will be considered a moral victory for New Zealand, but you cannot have teams in the World Cup who are going there with the objective of not getting embarassed. Of course you want teams from all around the world participating, but above all I think everyone wants quality. How would having an equal number of teams from each confederation work out? Fiji, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Solomon Islands and Nauru at the World Cup, while only, say the "big five" in Europe qualify, leaving out Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland, Denmark, Russia, Czech Republic, and so on? If you want New Zealand at the WC, that's all fine and dandy, but if they're to be there they should be competing with the Asian confederation all the way through, not beating island nations of a handful of thousands before hoping to pull a result out of their asses against another side that would get embarassed at the big stage. Australia is a good team, which is why they got the hell out of that joke of a confederation to have some real competition. Nobody took them that lightly at the World Cup. On the other hand, New Zealand couldn’t score against Iraq and South Africa and got their asses handed to them by Spain. They. Are. Going. To. Get. Killed. If they get a point against whoever, that will be considered a moral victory for New Zealand, but you cannot have teams in the World Cup who are going there with the objective of not getting embarassed. Of course you want teams from all around the world participating, but above all I think everyone wants quality. How would having an equal number of teams from each confederation work out? Fiji, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Solomon Islands and Nauru at the World Cup, while only, say the “big five” in Europe qualify, leaving out Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland, Denmark, Russia, Czech Republic, and so on?
If you want New Zealand at the WC, that’s all fine and dandy, but if they’re to be there they should be competing with the Asian confederation all the way through, not beating island nations of a handful of thousands before hoping to pull a result out of their asses against another side that would get embarassed at the big stage.

]]> By: Marcus http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575168 Marcus Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:13:55 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575168 Sam this time it was Bahrain, last time it was Australia (in the OFC) that qualified after beating Uruguay. Its good to have countries like Australia and NZ qualify, it gives football a chance to grow in the countries...Everyone thought Australia would have been a joke, but we surprised everyone and got knocked out by the eventual winners. There's 12 teams from Europe, ONE team from the OFC Its the WORLD CUP not the European Cup or African Nations Cup GET OVER IT!!! Hope New Zealand beat a big team and show you what football is about! Sam this time it was Bahrain, last time it was Australia (in the OFC) that qualified after beating Uruguay.
Its good to have countries like Australia and NZ qualify, it gives football a chance to grow in the countries…Everyone thought Australia would have been a joke, but we surprised everyone and got knocked out by the eventual winners.
There’s 12 teams from Europe, ONE team from the OFC
Its the WORLD CUP not the European Cup or African Nations Cup GET OVER IT!!!

Hope New Zealand beat a big team and show you what football is about!

]]> By: shane http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html/comment-page-1#comment-575167 shane Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:07:08 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/much-drama-and-a-missed-penalty-send-new-zealand-to-world-cup.html#comment-575167 Sam's country list shouldn't have included Senegal though. They came nowhere close to qualifying. Sam’s country list shouldn’t have included Senegal though. They came nowhere close to qualifying.

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