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	<title>Comments on: Is Olympic Football About to Die?</title>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
		<link>http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/is-olympic-football-about-to-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-570618</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares about Olympic Football?! The Olympics SUCKS anyway - a pathetic excuse for Superpowers to show off how powerful their countries are!

Anyways the IOC needs FIFA more than FIFA needs the IOC so why should they bother sending players to the Olympics? There&#039;s always the World Cup to showcase the latest Football talent... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about Olympic Football?! The Olympics SUCKS anyway &#8211; a pathetic excuse for Superpowers to show off how powerful their countries are!</p>
<p>Anyways the IOC needs FIFA more than FIFA needs the IOC so why should they bother sending players to the Olympics? There&#8217;s always the World Cup to showcase the latest Football talent&#8230; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: CSD</title>
		<link>http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/is-olympic-football-about-to-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-570276</link>
		<dc:creator>CSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what planet you live on, but here on Earth it&#039;s every 4 years as well.  They stagger winter and summer, so maybe that&#039;s what has thrown you off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what planet you live on, but here on Earth it&#8217;s every 4 years as well.  They stagger winter and summer, so maybe that&#8217;s what has thrown you off.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we need olympic football.the world cup is only once in 4 years unlike the olympics which is once every two years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need olympic football.the world cup is only once in 4 years unlike the olympics which is once every two years.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/is-olympic-football-about-to-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-570250</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it matters if it dies.  There&#039;s already a World Cup for the best players to compete to be world champions.  Olympic footy has just gone down hill, with all these restrictions and teams not letting players go.  It&#039;s just a mess, and they shouldn&#039;t even waste everyone&#039;s time by making it U-20.  If, instead, they made it semi-pro/amateur, then it would be pretty cool to see regular people playing, like the way it used to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it matters if it dies.  There&#8217;s already a World Cup for the best players to compete to be world champions.  Olympic footy has just gone down hill, with all these restrictions and teams not letting players go.  It&#8217;s just a mess, and they shouldn&#8217;t even waste everyone&#8217;s time by making it U-20.  If, instead, they made it semi-pro/amateur, then it would be pretty cool to see regular people playing, like the way it used to be.</p>
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		<title>By: CSD</title>
		<link>http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/is-olympic-football-about-to-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-570249</link>
		<dc:creator>CSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure there was a logical point in some of those essays but after the first 5,000 words I quit reading.  The point is this, and I&#039;ve made it before myself, there&#039;s too damn many tournaments.  We already have a global tournament for football, it&#039;s called the World Cup, it occurs every four years.  And there&#039;s also World Cups for different age groups.  The Olympic Games should include sports that don&#039;t already have some global presence and there&#039;s no global presence greater than football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there was a logical point in some of those essays but after the first 5,000 words I quit reading.  The point is this, and I&#8217;ve made it before myself, there&#8217;s too damn many tournaments.  We already have a global tournament for football, it&#8217;s called the World Cup, it occurs every four years.  And there&#8217;s also World Cups for different age groups.  The Olympic Games should include sports that don&#8217;t already have some global presence and there&#8217;s no global presence greater than football.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, ok. These arguments are great and all but the Olympics are still a major tournament for the women&#039;s side.  Perhaps second only to the World Cup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, ok. These arguments are great and all but the Olympics are still a major tournament for the women&#8217;s side.  Perhaps second only to the World Cup.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno Romani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno Romani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you again UEFA and European clubs for another great favor to international football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you again UEFA and European clubs for another great favor to international football.</p>
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		<title>By: Shazback</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shazback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandrahn : &quot;I said that the success of South American football in the Olympics is what generated interest in Europe to create an int’l competition involving ONLY football. Until then most Europeans had not been exposed to South American football.&quot;

Yes, Exter City toured South America in 1914 just for fun. After all, the Corinthians of London (one of the top teams of the time) had done a South-American tour in 1910 and 1913 (since it worked so well the first time). Portugal played a series of games in South America in the early 1910s too, mainly against Brazil. 

Indeed, South American football was badly known (not surprising given that most leagues had barely started, added to the difficulty of transport, and the fact that the &quot;poorer&quot; South American teams that weren&#039;t professionals didn&#039;t come to Europe), but there was already interest in football in South America on behalf of (at least) English supporters. The 1914 tour of South America by Exeter City was related with great interest in sports journals of the day, just as the Corinthians&#039; various exploits were almost amalgamated with those of the England national team (they supplied on several occasions the entire squad for England international matches in the 1890s), in particular when they toured foreign countries such as Brazil (1910), Argentina and Brazil (1913), Spain (1902), Sweden (1904) or France (1908).

The thing is that whilst Corinthians were amateurs, they weren&#039;t primarily footballers. They were born into wealthy families and didn&#039;t rely on football to live. Woosnam, for instance, was a full-time sportsman, but he declined various times the opportunity of becoming a professional. He represented England in the Olympics for tennis (1920, gold for mens&#039; doubles, silver for mixed doubles), and declined an offer to captain the England football team in the same olympics (the events were at the same time). And few clubs like Corinthians existed. Corinthians could spend money to tour the world at their leisure, since they had no problem raising money (either from prestigious exhibition games, or from the wealthy contributors and backers they had). If touring South America was to cost them 10,000£, so be it. However, other professional clubs couldn&#039;t afford to lose 10,000£, so naturally they wouldn&#039;t embark on similar adventures (Exeter City toured following Corinthians&#039; success the previous year, but still lost lots of money). South American teams wouldn&#039;t tour Europe because they paid few of their players, and the little money the clubs had was far from the amounts required to tour Europe.

After WW1, football&#039;s profile raised very quickly in Europe (outside Great Britain). From a few leagues (England, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands, in particular) in 1918, by 1933 France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Argentina and various Brazilian states had formed professional (or quasi-professional) leagues. The IOC banned professional players from the Olympics, thus leaving FIFA with a major problem : some of the best football players in certain countries (notably England) were professionals, meaning they couldn&#039;t compete in the Olympics. After trying to comply by sending a team of amateurs in 1920, the FA recognised no difference between amateurism and professionalism in 1923, to end shamateurism. Thus, Great Britain, having won 3 of the first 4 Olympics, didn&#039;t compete in the 1924 and 1928 Olympics. Denmark, finalists in 1908 and 1912 suffered the same problem, and having sent an amateur team in 1920 that was beaten roundly when they returned to Denmark by a professional side, decided to join the FA&#039;s position and end shamateurism in 1923, barring them from the 1924 and 1928 Olympics.

With the Italian football league turning towards professionalism, the Spanish league embracing professionalism and various other leagues (France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Argentina) visibly on the verge of professionalism, FIFA asked the IOC to allow professionals (mainly to avoid scaldals if the winning team included &quot;shamateurs&quot;). The IOC refused, and thus FIFA started organising a competition where professionals could also play. One reason was that England was destroying most of their opponents when they toured (in May 1927 England beat Belgium 9-1, Luxembourg 5-2 and France 6-0, in May 1928 England beat France 5-1 and Belgium 3-1, and in May 1929 beat France 5-1, Belgium 6-1 and lost 3-4 to Spain, the first defeat England suffered against non-Home Nation teams in 25 matches... France lost 3-4 to Italy in 1928, Italy went on the be 3rd, Belgium lost 6-3 to Argentina in 1928, Argentina went on to be 2nd, and Spain also lost to Italy, but required a re-match), so to exclude them from international competitions was slightly bizarre. Another was that certain clubs of professionals were on par or better than amateur international teams (Barcelona beat Argentina 4-1 in 1928, and none of those players were eligible to play for Spain since they were paid...). Without distinction between amateurs and professionals, these problems would be solved.

Before the mid 1920s there was no need for a seperate competition for football, since there were the Olympics, and between countries that had &quot;shamateurs&quot; to field and countries with only amateurs there weren&#039;t any substantial problems. But in the second half of the 1920s professional football spread to such an extent that the &quot;amateurs only&quot; conception of the Olympics meant that many of the best players were unable to be fielded, more and more countries were on the path to not distinguishing between professionals and amateurs to end various degrees of &quot;shamateurism&quot; and various professional teams (England, but also many clubs) had taken to playing against the amateur teams presented at the Olympics, often winning by a clear margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandrahn : &#8220;I said that the success of South American football in the Olympics is what generated interest in Europe to create an int’l competition involving ONLY football. Until then most Europeans had not been exposed to South American football.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Exter City toured South America in 1914 just for fun. After all, the Corinthians of London (one of the top teams of the time) had done a South-American tour in 1910 and 1913 (since it worked so well the first time). Portugal played a series of games in South America in the early 1910s too, mainly against Brazil. </p>
<p>Indeed, South American football was badly known (not surprising given that most leagues had barely started, added to the difficulty of transport, and the fact that the &#8220;poorer&#8221; South American teams that weren&#8217;t professionals didn&#8217;t come to Europe), but there was already interest in football in South America on behalf of (at least) English supporters. The 1914 tour of South America by Exeter City was related with great interest in sports journals of the day, just as the Corinthians&#8217; various exploits were almost amalgamated with those of the England national team (they supplied on several occasions the entire squad for England international matches in the 1890s), in particular when they toured foreign countries such as Brazil (1910), Argentina and Brazil (1913), Spain (1902), Sweden (1904) or France (1908).</p>
<p>The thing is that whilst Corinthians were amateurs, they weren&#8217;t primarily footballers. They were born into wealthy families and didn&#8217;t rely on football to live. Woosnam, for instance, was a full-time sportsman, but he declined various times the opportunity of becoming a professional. He represented England in the Olympics for tennis (1920, gold for mens&#8217; doubles, silver for mixed doubles), and declined an offer to captain the England football team in the same olympics (the events were at the same time). And few clubs like Corinthians existed. Corinthians could spend money to tour the world at their leisure, since they had no problem raising money (either from prestigious exhibition games, or from the wealthy contributors and backers they had). If touring South America was to cost them 10,000£, so be it. However, other professional clubs couldn&#8217;t afford to lose 10,000£, so naturally they wouldn&#8217;t embark on similar adventures (Exeter City toured following Corinthians&#8217; success the previous year, but still lost lots of money). South American teams wouldn&#8217;t tour Europe because they paid few of their players, and the little money the clubs had was far from the amounts required to tour Europe.</p>
<p>After WW1, football&#8217;s profile raised very quickly in Europe (outside Great Britain). From a few leagues (England, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands, in particular) in 1918, by 1933 France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Argentina and various Brazilian states had formed professional (or quasi-professional) leagues. The IOC banned professional players from the Olympics, thus leaving FIFA with a major problem : some of the best football players in certain countries (notably England) were professionals, meaning they couldn&#8217;t compete in the Olympics. After trying to comply by sending a team of amateurs in 1920, the FA recognised no difference between amateurism and professionalism in 1923, to end shamateurism. Thus, Great Britain, having won 3 of the first 4 Olympics, didn&#8217;t compete in the 1924 and 1928 Olympics. Denmark, finalists in 1908 and 1912 suffered the same problem, and having sent an amateur team in 1920 that was beaten roundly when they returned to Denmark by a professional side, decided to join the FA&#8217;s position and end shamateurism in 1923, barring them from the 1924 and 1928 Olympics.</p>
<p>With the Italian football league turning towards professionalism, the Spanish league embracing professionalism and various other leagues (France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Argentina) visibly on the verge of professionalism, FIFA asked the IOC to allow professionals (mainly to avoid scaldals if the winning team included &#8220;shamateurs&#8221;). The IOC refused, and thus FIFA started organising a competition where professionals could also play. One reason was that England was destroying most of their opponents when they toured (in May 1927 England beat Belgium 9-1, Luxembourg 5-2 and France 6-0, in May 1928 England beat France 5-1 and Belgium 3-1, and in May 1929 beat France 5-1, Belgium 6-1 and lost 3-4 to Spain, the first defeat England suffered against non-Home Nation teams in 25 matches&#8230; France lost 3-4 to Italy in 1928, Italy went on the be 3rd, Belgium lost 6-3 to Argentina in 1928, Argentina went on to be 2nd, and Spain also lost to Italy, but required a re-match), so to exclude them from international competitions was slightly bizarre. Another was that certain clubs of professionals were on par or better than amateur international teams (Barcelona beat Argentina 4-1 in 1928, and none of those players were eligible to play for Spain since they were paid&#8230;). Without distinction between amateurs and professionals, these problems would be solved.</p>
<p>Before the mid 1920s there was no need for a seperate competition for football, since there were the Olympics, and between countries that had &#8220;shamateurs&#8221; to field and countries with only amateurs there weren&#8217;t any substantial problems. But in the second half of the 1920s professional football spread to such an extent that the &#8220;amateurs only&#8221; conception of the Olympics meant that many of the best players were unable to be fielded, more and more countries were on the path to not distinguishing between professionals and amateurs to end various degrees of &#8220;shamateurism&#8221; and various professional teams (England, but also many clubs) had taken to playing against the amateur teams presented at the Olympics, often winning by a clear margin.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CSD,

I think there&#039;s definitely a case for that.

Olympic sports really should represent the best competing against the best, and seems like every Olympic football tournament brings nothing but arguments (the GB team debate for London 2012 has only just got going).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CSD,</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s definitely a case for that.</p>
<p>Olympic sports really should represent the best competing against the best, and seems like every Olympic football tournament brings nothing but arguments (the GB team debate for London 2012 has only just got going).</p>
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		<title>By: CSD</title>
		<link>http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-football/is-olympic-football-about-to-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-570228</link>
		<dc:creator>CSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kill it.  Let it die.</description>
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