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The World Cup Group Stage Draws As Seen By Elo Rankings

93320660KM132_FIFA_2010_WorIt’s FIFA’s baby so their rankings have taken obvious priority, determining in some way nearly all parts of this draw, but anyone who knows anything – or equally nothing – will tell you that Elo puts out a far superior list of international rankings. In fact were we to compare the two in the realm that is this World Cup, Elo would be Brazil and FIFA would be North Korea. Or a pocketwatch.

When discussing who would be the disappointment of the tournament the easy unanimous answer (when unanimous equals both) was Argentina based on past accomplishments. I then nominated Japan, who might just finish last in their group and probably occupy a higher ranking in my mind than on paper. When checking out the rankings, this was discovered:

FIFA – 43
ELO – 17

That’s quite the disparity. In fact it’s the difference between being thought worthy of the World Cup 32 and not, which is no small claim.

Stopping at Japan would be imprudent, so here’s a look at the entire draw as seen by the good people at Elo. (November, not October, FIFA ranking in parenthesis.)

Group A:
South Africa 83 (86)
Mexico 8 (15)
Uruguay 15 (19)
France 9 (7)

Group B:
Argentina 7 (8)
Nigeria 28 (22)
South Korea 32 (52)
Greece 23 (12)

Group C:
England 4 (9)
USA 16 (14)
Algeria 56 (28)
Slovenia 47 (33)

Group D:
Germany 5 (6)
Australia 19 (21)
Serbia 14 (20)
Ghana 42 (37)

Group E:
Netherlands 3 (3)
Denmark 17t (26)
Japan 17t (43)
Cameroon 20 (11)

Group F:
Italy 6 (4)
Paraguay 29 (30)
New Zealand 74 (77)
Slovakia 48 (34)

Group G:
Brazil 1 (2)
North Korea 82 (84)
Cote d’Ivoire 22 (16)
Portugal 12 (5)

Group H:
Spain 2 (1)
Switzerland 21 (18)
Honduras 33 (38)
Chile 11 (17)

* – Germany would like a written explanation from FIFA as to how Portugal is better than them. They cite the ‘06 third-placed game, Euro 2008 qualifying and finals, as well as bludgeoning one of the difficult World Cup qualifying groups.

Now let’s average out the scores for fun:

Elo

A: 28.75
B: 22.5
C: 30.75
D: 20
E: 14.25
F: 39.25
G: 29.25
H: 16.75

So according to Elo, the Group of Death is Group E, which isn’t all that surprising as there’s the Netherlands and then three evenly matched teams. And in the case of Denmark and Japan, the most evenly matched game in the World Cup groups (what with the organization being unable to separate the two in the rankings).

Italy, meanwhile, were apparently given a gift for being defending champions, what with their group being by far the least impressive statistically.


FIFA

A: 31.75
B: 23.5
C: 21
D: 21
E: 20.75
F: 36.25
G: 26.75
H: 18.5

FIFA stake the claim that Spain head the Group O’Death, when they clearly don’t (Elo have them not far behind to be fair), as well as the fact that Groups C, D & E are all on par with each other. Slovenia and Algeria sheepishly cower in the corner.

Elo are far from perfect, but they’re better. Nothing learned in that realm. What we did learn is that Group E should be a cracker, being defending champions does come with some rewards, and that Group H will be better than you think.

And that outliers are the detriment to the statistician. Thanks, North Korea.



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  • I think that World cup at Africa England and Spain will competition each other in final match.If they meet it great.Then Torres will met Terry and Ferdinand,and Rooney Will met Sergio Ramos.Steven Gerrade meet Xabi Alonso and Guti meet Beckham.the most Coach like Capelo meet Delbosh
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  • Anthony Peru
    UEFA snobbery, what a joke some of those teams are...Andorra, Luxembourg, Monaco, Leichtenstein, Cyprus, Malta they are no better than the bottom feeders of Concacaf or Asia, only better than the Oceania bottom feeders (read:every team except New Zealand and maybe Fiji)Only 7 teams have won the cup-4 Europeans 3 South Americans...England and France did it at home once each, Uruguay not since 1950, that leaves 4 teams who will contest the Cup..Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy. Germany and Italy have only managed to win on European soil, Argentina won in South America once and Mexico once. Brazil on the other hand is the only team to have won on every Continent where the Cup has been held, S. America (1) N. America (2) Europe (1) and Asia (1) No European team has won outside of Europe! The formula does not lie, Brazil will win 2010 and probably 2014...
  • steve
    What do you mean that Italy was "apparently given a gift for being defending champions, what with their group being by far the least impressive statistically"?

    Aren't "unseeded" teams picked randomly from a pot? I've been trying to find this out for an hour, and cannot find a clean description of the procedure.
  • bawambi
    Actually Shane stop hating on CONCACAF and AFC they along with CAF in FIFA's system are discounted 15% on every match. So in order to rise in the rankings they have to dominate their region and win most if not all friendlies which is what US, Mexico, Australia and Japan did for most of the 4 year cycle just ending. As for the the dominance of UEFA groups I submit group 9 without Netherlands (Norway,Scotland,Macedonia,Iceland). Almost every team in this WC could have won that group outright. Every UEFA group had 1 if not two teams that wouldn't have made the final round in CONCACAF,AFC or CAF.
  • Sheps
    This is a ridiculous blog post. To add them all together and then say that's what Elo say is ridiculous. For instance, let's take what is clearly the hardest group - Brazil, Portugal, Ivory Coast, N Korea. Any muppet can see that. But because of how low N Korea are, that one team skews the whole thing. But for instance, try swapping Honduras with N Korea and suddenly the whole thing changes according to this method. But really, those two teams switching wouldn't affect most people's perception of the draw.

    If you are going to do something like this, you should do it based on coefficients, not rankings, and consider not just adding them together but taking into account other stats such as standard deviation etc. For instance if you did the standard deviation of the groups that would tell you very useful info such as which groups are most competitive (eg E) and which are the biggest gimmes for the top 2 sides (eg C)
  • Slobodan, the first number is the ELO ranking, the second number if FIFA (i.e. the one used in the draw.)
  • Yes it is Ryan.
  • Ryan McManus
    elo is just as shit as fifa.
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