Dhorasoo’s Documentary doesn’t Please Domenech

A Loser videotaping losers, sounds exciting.

Posted from  Canada

Who’s the loser here? Unless you’re Italian that is.

Posted from  Singapore

The French were the first team in 34 years to accomplish a World Cup win AND a Euro Cup. Until only recently they were the dominant European team, period, not Italy. I don’t think Italy has the ability to match France’s double Cup record. Their players are just as old as France’s.

Posted from  United States

Agreed. You don’t win double Cups by fluke. Let’s see if Italy and Greece even qualify for Euro 2008.

Posted from  Singapore

hum… a voyeur among us! what the hell is dhoraso thinking?

Posted from  Canada

As of 4:30 pm EST, Italy trails Croatia 2-0, Brazil tied with Norway 1-1, France is tied with Bosnia 1-1 and England’s beating the crap out of the Euro champions Greece 4-0.

Posted from  United States

Allow me to repeat. A Loser videotaping losers, sounds exciting.

i never mentioned italy but as i recall they have four (4) yes four stars. I dont even remember what 1 or two looks like.

biatch

Posted from  Canada

yeah 4 stars — 2 of them under Mussolini’s corrupted games playing against a dozen very weak competitors, and one with penalties and a lousy performance in the final. Only one worth mentioning: the 1982 win.

Posted from  United States

Allow me to repeat. A Loser videotaping losers, sounds exciting.

Now we have a loser posting abouts losers…..LAZARO

1. here are the some of the so called weak teams who played in 34 Germany, Argentina,Holland, France,Spain, Brazil.

2. 38 games were played in france with most of the same weak teams as above.

so in conclusion…crack a book, read, research….its good for you.

biatch
****four Quattro quatre четыре Vier cuatro

ps…italy never gets old and then have to rebuild…get serious…few other countries continually yes continually produce top class players

so again let me say….dont be a biatch

Posted from  Canada

By the way, john, are the brazilians subhuman lower life forms too?

Posted from  United States

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Posted from  Canada

dan, France has been absent from many major tournaments. They didn’t qualify for World Cups 1950, 1962, 1970, 1974, 1990, 1994 and only qualified for 1998 because they hosted the competition. I beleive in 2002 they were embarrased by Senegal and co and were the first world champions to bow out in the first round in World Cup history. I agree that winning the World Cup and Euro back to back is something to be proud of and it is very difficult to do and futhermore nobody actually believes France winning these compitions was a fluke. More power to the French I say. However, you cannot look to the past you must look forward. That said, France may have a difficult road ahead of them without Zidane. They may find themselves not qualifying for euro2008 or world cup 2010 if they are not careful. Italy has had good tournaments and downright dreadful tournaments but they are always present on the world stage. Italy has staying power something France lacks at the moment. I’m not saying one team is better than the other but France desperately needs to put the days of Zidane behind them and find themselves.

Posted from  Canada

john, my comment about the brazilians was in reference to your supremacist belief that everyone but italy are lower life forms.

And if France is such a worthless crappy loser team, then I guess no one should be impressed by italy’s victory. Thanks for letting me know that, I’ll tell my friends who ask me how important italy’s victory is. I’ll tell them italy can’t win against any really tough skillfull teams.

Posted from  United States

JohnB, thanks for your reasonable, generous post. Very refreshing from an italy fan, I rarely see them talk as you do. I’m sick of the anti-French bigotry of arrogant know-nothings like john — they see the word “France” and their entire brain shuts down. And no, I am not French. It hurt to see France beat my team but I am first a lover of the game, and I loved France’s playing style. I can put aside any petty nationalism in favor of my love for the game.

I don’t disagree with your post, except that I think you overlook the non-Zidane factors to the French game of recent years. I never rooted for the French until the 90s. Anyone who knows football history is aware that the big story for European football in the 90s was the rise of French football. I say this even tho we can’t forget Platini or the fact that the France-Brazil game in the 1986 WC is considered by experts to be the best, most entertaining game in WC history. It’s true that France will be struggling now but they have some fine world class players playing at the best clubs in Europe, they do have something on which to build.

In the excellent British dvd set THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL (7 or 8 dvds, it’s a very popular set) there’s a whole section on the rise of French football in the 90s. Yes, Zidane was critical but it is also about the rise of a combination of great attacking play and defense by more and more French players in premiership clubs throughout Europe. Guys like Vieira and Thuram and Henry.

In Buffon’s blog over on this website http://worldcup-es-uk.spaces.live.com/ (there are a few other players blogs over there, like Makele & Ronaldinho), he says what many other experts and players said: while Zidane’s performance was critical and superb in this tournament past the first round, it was Vieira who was France’s motor. Buffon names Vieira as the tournament’s best player (along with Riquelme).

So I started watching more and more French football in the 90s and not only because of Zidane, tho he is to me the finest footballer in the last 10-15 years. I agreed with the pundits all over Europe who called this new French team “the entertainers of Europe” - I loved their style, their panache, their flair, their strong defense with a terrific attacking style. And I loved the fact they had the least insular team in Europe - lack of insularity makes for innovative, dynamic football. They had (and continue to have) players all over Europe and their national team is full of native-born children of immigrants or from French territories who grew up in France. France beat italy consistently in recent years with this style of play and with these same players we saw in Germany, and, yes, it was a pleasure to watch open, positive football winning against italy’s boring, insular, negative style.

I am religious when it comes to attacking, dynamic football and this is why I have never liked italian or german football. This WC was the first time I actually took some interest in the german team because they were playing a little more attacking football, tho still not enuf for me. Italy played a little more attacking football as well, tho I don’t think it’s as true as it was for the german team. For most of the tournament italy just didn’t impress as a team, including in the final. I’m not the only one who finds no flair, no panache, nothing exciting about italian football. The game with Germany was an exception and it was indeed a great performance. I’ve seen some exciting games on the club level in italy (I spent some college time there), I once saw a very exciting game between juventus and fiorentina. But on the national level, I’ve never found Italian football exciting in the least. And I’ve never heard anyone in the football world say they find Italian football exciting. Just look at the memory of 1982’s WC tournament, which Italy won. The team that is remembered in that tournament is not Italy – it’s Brazil, with its beautiful joyous game. That was arguably Brazil’s best squad and audiences took them to their hearts. I don’t ever recall italy generating that type of audience devotion, except among Italians.

There’s no question that italy is a world class footballing nation and has had more success than France, and most other teams. For me it is simply a question of preference between one style and another. No one ever accused italy of playing beautifully - words like sublime, artful and grace are not usually associated with italy’s game. Italy is at its best efficient, disciplined and ruthless. Yes it has fine individual players but there aren’t many kids around the world with posters of italian players on their walls when compared with the Peles, Maradonas, Zidanes, Ronaldos, Ronaldinhos or even the Beckhams (tho that has more to do with his looks and glamour than anything else). I’m sure a few of them have Totti on their walls.

This has nothing to do with hating italians as a culture or a people, it has to do with finding italian football utterly uninspiring. I’ve heard pundits call Italy the quintessence of “anti-football” and in general I’d have to agree. Italy has Europe’s most insular football - few italians play in clubs outside italy and they have fewer nonwhite, non-italian players than any of the other big European federations. Also, even world class Italian players like Cannavaro consistently feign injury. In the game with Germany, he was dramatically taken off the pitch on a stretcher, effectively stopping play, and then came back on quickly obviously unhurt. In the recent Real Madrid-RSL friendly in Seattle, he did it again – stopped play, dropped on the ground, lay there for a minute staring up at the sky. Medics came over to look at him and he was just fine. Yes other teams and players do this kind of thing (esp. on the club level) but with italy and Portugal it is comparatively more frequent and consistent. When they have their act together, italy is quite effective. For me and millions of other non-italian football fans who love the game at its best, italy just inspires no passion.

Posted from  United States

Allow me to repeat. A Loser videotaping losers, sounds exciting.

Now we have a loser posting abouts losers…..LAZARO

what a waste of of a post….fell asleep.

i dont even know were to start correcting you…..so i wont…..have to respect someone to correct them

therefore in coclusion….

biatch
****four Quattro quatre четыре Vier cuatro

therefore in coclusion….

Posted from  Canada

“I am religious when it comes to attacking, dynamic football and this is why I have never liked italian or german football. This WC was the first time I actually took some interest in the german team because they were playing a little more attacking football, tho still not enuf for me. Italy played a little more attacking football as well, tho I don’t think it’s as true as it was for the german team”

I stopped reading after this comment. Its pointless to read when somebody is so obviously and clearly wrong. Germany was the highest goal scorers of this world cup. Italy was the second highest. Can you please tell me how the hell the two top scorers of the world cup did not attack enough for you?

John you seem like a loser by repeating the same thing over and over again.

Posted from  United States