Judgement Day

ouch!!!

fifa 2007 is gonna look really weird with Juve in Serie B. You might as well put them in Serie C as even with running the table, a 30 point gap just seems too much to hurdle.

Football reflects life and the team at the world cup was truly Italian!

…so does Jerry Springer’s show reflect life…

sure,as if americans were always fair in their sports.Lets recall the pete rose ,barry bonds.The ones giving bad names to the sport

You’re right Jericho…the U.S. blames Italy for refs making calls in the World Cup that didn’t favour them…well, U.S./Australia…just play better football then…name me one Aussie or U.S. player as good as a Pirlo or even a Materazzi…exactly..

i really cant imagine what that kind of toll would mean far say a bayern or madrid or a barcelona, this has got to sting. not to mention putting a sizable black mark on italian soccer! they need to count their blessing on winning the cup. if they would not have done as well, this year, this would be crushing to their spirit!gives a new meaning to ‘theres always next year’. i’m sorry for all their loyal fans…screw the bottom line!

ps…doesn’t that dude look like the trophy in a suit? hehehe

You know, it’s decisions like these that show how much our (brazilian) leagues and cups suck and why so many brazilian players are quick to jump ship and go play abroad at the first opportunity.

Football organization in out country is pretty sad. There’s too much crap going on and nobody’s serious; it’s hard to explain, but clubs can delay decisions indefinitely and justice is never done, no matter what kind of wrong doing a club can do, including financially. “Classic” clubs think they’re separate from the rest of the clubs, and think they’re deemed special treatment.

What I mean is that if something like this happened in Brazil, nothing would come out of it. Clubs would continue with their happy state of robbing affairs and people would quickly forget about the matter.

But on this case, instead, Italian justice has been quite severe and punished clubs that should be punished. That also shows clubs who pull similar stunts can also have the same fate, and I guess owners and managers will think twice before doing something like this.

It’s pretty sad that this had to happen, but I applaud Italian justice for this decision and I hope it’s not reverted.

By the way, it’s the managers and referees who were found guilty.

Some players who were initially charged were all found not guilty.

So, again, whiners, stop pointing your fingers at the Italian National Team.

(…and suck up those five nice penalty shots. Hmm, they taste good…)

Oh, and here is another good reading for today, especially the bottom part:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=AvPOvpIyn.KV8DrpEHoycjomw7YF?slug=cnnsi-partingwords&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

I just read this, thought it was funny. From the New York Times:

“The Rolling Stones rocked for two hours as they opened the delayed European leg of their “Bigger Bang” tour at a packed San Siro soccer stadium in Milan on Tuesday night, Reuters reported. During their hiatus, Keith Richards underwent cranial surgery in New Zealand after a fall from a tree, and Ron Wood entered a rehabilitation clinic in London for treatment of alcohol abuse. At the concert, Mick Jagger congratulated Italy on its victory in the World Cup soccer championship, and invited Marco Materazzi and Alessandro Del Piero, two members of the winning team, onstage. Referring to the head butt Mr. Materazzi took from Zinédine Zidane of France, Mr. Jagger, speaking in Italian, said, “Materazzi and Richards have something in common tonight: they both recently had head-related problems.”

Well Said Ze (Sorry I cant find the e with a squiggle above it)
People are making fun of an Italian side that won the cup (makes no sense so they must be jealous)
and now people will make fun of a competition which actually punished their clubs (why?…they should be commended)
It reminds me of the high school I went to. My high school expelled students caught with drugs therefore they were considered the druggie school. When in fact other schools just punished its students in a way that the public would not see. So their reputation of being a good school remained intact.
The truth is ALL SCHOOLS HAVE DRUGS…….ALL.
But parents are to stupid to realise this.

Glad to see the corrupt Italians getting their just rewards… it really is an honest statement on italian football…. B league at best… can’t imagine any Italian being proud of thier World cup win.. SOOOOOO many dives/ free kicks , and that penalty shot in the first round… Almost seemed like FIFA needed the Italians to winn the cup

rew, what the hell do you care?

Just another bitter jealous person, there is tons of them here

World Cup Wins – 4
Champions League Wins – 9
UEFA Cup Wins – 9
European Championship Wins – 1

Not bad for a country whose players are accused of being divers/cheaters. The only other European country that has the football pedigree of Italy is Germany. Not France, not the UK, not Spain. People decry Serie A and speak of the ascension of the English Premier League and La Liga, but the Team with the league in crisis wins the World Cup. If that doesn’t say something for the technical mastery and skill of the italians, nothing will. Critics can spew the words, but I don’t see the silverware to back it up. Just empty, meaningless talk.

Those who are still bitter with Italy’s win will use the decision by the sports tribunal in Rome to further their case of denigrating Italian football, but will not give credit to the Italian judicial system that has been extremely objective and brought down sentences that many other nations would not dare do. Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina have been demoted to Serie B, and AC Milan should stay in Serie A but will not be able to take part in next year’s Champions League and will have to start the next season with a 15-point penalty.

Juventus, has been stripped of the 2005 and 2006 league titles and also handed a 30-point penalty, which basically means Serie B for more than one season, while Lazio and Fiorentina will be docked seven points and 12 points respectively.

The rulings mean that none of the four clubs will be allowed to play in Europe next season with a number of individual also suspended.

Former Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi has been banned from all football for five years while Adriano Galliani, who was AC Milan vice-president, received a one year expulsion.

well said Ze, full credit to the Italian judiciary for showing that no club is above the law.

A good decision. Sets an example for others to emulate.

Some idiots will take strenght in their opinion Italy is the land of corruption. I do think corruption is a world wide problem, the only difference is Italians love spring cleaning once in a while.
Proud to be Italian.

If anything Italy is honest. I am pretty sure match-fixing is more prevalent than people think.

International cricket was rocked by match-fixing scandals in the 90s.

Good to see the Italians cleaning up their league scandal. So now I ask what happens to the players who play on the teams that got relagated?

Danny many of them will be free to search another team, cos relegation makes (hmmmmm don’t know the term in english)the contacts void.

The game of rugby league in Australia (not a game to rave on about)went through a similar duplicitous episode last year and the National League board issued a total of $275,000 in fines to five clubs for salary cap breaches – minor stuff when compared to what has happened in Italy, but proof that corruption is prevalent anywhere.

Things like that make me respect Italians. After all there are worthy Italians out there, who try to fight scambags and cheaters, all those idiots who earned for Italy the reputation. Go guys! I respect you for trying to change the things…

To Roger
proof that corruption is prevaled in Australia and in Italy. Nothing else.

@ Thierry,

Nothing else? That’s only one example and your response indicates your lack of knowledge of sports corruption, cheating etc. in the world. What about all those years the East Germans cheated at the Olympics with the use of drugs, and everyone that has been caught on the same offence from so many countries. What about the Tour de France scandal two years ago. There are so many more. The Chinese at the Olympics when their female swimmers looked like Mr Universe and swam records beyond their previous personal best to snatch Olympic medals. Corruption and cheating is not just in Italy and Australia and football is not the only sport where it has happened.

Good in patcha
Against Ghana, Czeka, Ukraina
None too convinsa
Brilliant footballa
Beating Alemania
Overall rating, half thumba
Star, superscrip stara
Go easy on the simulaccia
FORZA NAZIONALE DIASPORA!

THE OLD LADY WILL RETURN!!! And with a VENGEANCE!!! She was the ONLY reason Italy won the World Cup, from the coach to the players..even Trezegeut missed his PK on purpose!!!!

JUVE influences ALL, so why should they try to influence anything illegally??? People should get real and demand all those lying, liberal, Juve-hating potsmokers in Italy be stripped of their jobs and banished to a cell with periodic visits from only an angry ZIZOU!

The OLD LADY will RAISE UP like Koller did on Keller, and it won’t be a pretty sight!

Dave hamildav@yahoo.com

I am happy that at last the Italians have cleaned out the scum in their football. Why don’t you clean it all up and return the WC back too, divers.

Yes i hate Italy, but that’s because they are the best of all diving, cheating and cryng.

And no i’m not Indian. I’m australian. Just in case someone jumps the gun and goes on to shower all the choicest abuses on the poor country i’m blogging from

Dear Roger,
Each time, i did a bit of fishing, it rose to the bait. Pleased to tease you. You could have quoted the cups won by facist italians in 34 and 38, the cup in 54,in 78, the tour de France of this Year and of all the years,and…There is a serious doubt on american athletes who are better than the east germans.
Yours sincerely,

P S :have you a cool winter at Canberra?

not bitter and jealous, just thinking that italy was the team that did not deserve the cup. who knows how long they will get to keep it… too much dirt and deception around italian fussball… my prediction for 2010
1. USA
2. Germany
3. Brazil
99. Italy
Just wait and see, I am always correct in my predictions.

Nobearing, any USA or Aussie player is better than any Italian player. If they had known how to cheat, they would have gone further.

Pao, corruption is a world-wide problem with Italia holding the cup since they perfected corruption.

Kruman, nicko: exactly. Again, it’s sad that his had to happen, but ultimately Italy’s decision to punish the team pretty hard is the best thing to come out of this: they’re showing they’re serious, and there’s no messing around. If anything, they’re showing they do act to correct it, while other people just solve it silently, meaning not solve at all.

@ Thierry

What a load of baloney that I rose to your bait. you won’t admit your knowledge of corruption in sport amounted to anything beyond what happened in Italy. I’m not in Canberra, and the coldest here is equivalen to a European spring. Bad luck France didn’t win the cup, but then it didn’t deserve it.

My dear roger,
You’re a god to know who deserved or not such thing or another thing?
ha ha ha. Sydney is a nice town isn’t it?

my dearest, dearest thierry,

I know you must still be in a lot of pain with your grief, my deepest sympathy at your loss, but not like you, I won’t laugh. I’ll wear black for a few hours and place the flag at half-mast for a few minutes.

Thierry and Roger,

I s this just a lovers tiff? and you ARE BOTH REALLY GOOD FRIENDS, it’s only football and it is only personal opinions,by anyone who blogs, but you two do give us something to giggle about. Theres corruption etc everywhere in everything but hey it is only fun. Anyone want to talk football?

Jane,

you sound like a sweetheart person, and you say there’s corruption everywhere, but Thierry wouldn’t accept that initially and made the asinine comment “proof that corruption is prevaled in Australia and in Italy. Nothing else”. Then when I responded and enlightened him on his lack of sports corruption, he came back with childish sarcasm. I’d love to talk football but not to the likes of Thierry who is in a self-absorbed state mourning. As I said, I sympathise with the poor guy. He has four years to recover. From the Italian football scandal, some teams also have years to recover, but that’s life. I am willing to move on, but some like Thierry just want to continue whipping that dead horse.

Roger, Some points I agree with you on, but some people can’t move past it just yet. I really wanted France to win, but hell they didn’t can’t turn back the clock and it doesn’t alter the fact that which ever angle you look at certain ‘dives etc’ we all see what we want to see and interpret it how we want to nobody will change our personal opinion. Anybody with the slightest form of intelligence knows there is corruption in everything, maybe not in money changing etc but every time we try to manipulate another person this is a form of corruption. Thierry is sweet and is entitled to his opinions and I am sure what he states is what he thinks but move on it’s not worth fighting.
On a football note looks like the likes or Chelsea, Man U Liverpool are all trying to take advantage of the scandal in the series A but what we mustn’t forget is that Milan hasn’t been relegated and those players who wish to stay in Italy and play I am sure this would be their first choice. OK Milan were docked 15 points however that puts them behind Empoli I think around 8th in the table. Empoli haven’t got a permit to play in European qualifiers, who know they may apply for a permit from UEFA>

Couple of points I would like to express. All these clubs that have been relegated and docked points, yes I agree it should have happened clean up the act. However this is so sad because it affects the players, no one has proved that any of them were involved, it’s all been down to corrupt officical, managers etc, so Italy will lose their talent to England Germany wherever what happens to the fans, what happens to their teams. Does anybody think that the players knew what was going on? Will you still support the teams in when they are relegated? This is purely out of interest I ask these questions.

That is the greatest misfortune from this corruption, Jane, in that players and fans suffer from the scandalous action of a few. I think the penalties given should have been directed only to the perpetrators of the crime. The fans were not responsible, and hopefully the players were also not responsible. If some players were involved then they should be dealt with in the same way as the officials – extremely heavy fines or even a jail sentence, but to relegate a team, deduct points, going a bit too far for it hurts the many, many innocent fans and players. That’s my two cents.

Roger you said it in one, it is always I think the fans who suffer. They give their all supporting these teams,they buy their seasons tickets go to the matches etc the players earn fantastic salaries and there is always other clubs waiting to take them up but they are also innocent. The officials and managers have made their millions, what do the fans have left, that is the real scandal.

This whole episode was BERLUSCONI’s fault; he paid off EVERYBODY to ensure that Juve was penalized worse than AC Milan, his team. Those San Siro wanks could NEVER beat Juve on the PITCH without cheating and he knows it!!!

The OLD LADY OF TURIN will return, and it will be UGLY!!!

Dave oh Dave!

do you want us to start Bush, dahling?

Bush and Berlusconi can’t kick, dribble, chip, parry, stop, cross, chest, or even DIVE a la Grosso, so why should the old Lady take a fall? This is all part of a Chelsea plot to nullify Italy’s best in Mourinho’s FUTILE effort to ever win a CLF at Stamford Bridge!

Italy + corruption + dishonesty + cheating (and being proud of it, too):
When will they ever change ?

Mafioso’s in jail, Berlusconi gone, Juve down a division and the world cup in their hands this could be the dawning of a golden age of non-corruption in Italy!

grin we are able to change and you when do you try to see your problem? we are the best because we ever try to become better and we analyze everything .and you?we have mafia but we have also honest people and you? are you so perfect? uhm this remember me something……german=superior man oh………. when will they try to change? I think ……….never

hey jo72, dont be such an idiot, do you really have a reason to make this world history 101? just go and clean your own house before you try to speak of someone elses, it just makes things worse, ok?

Okay lots of stuff to respond to. How about this brilliant comment:
“not bitter and jealous, just thinking that italy was the team that did not deserve the cup. who knows how long they will get to keep it… too much dirt and deception around italian fussball… my prediction for 2010
1. USA
2. Germany
3. Brazil
99. Italy
Just wait and see, I am always correct in my predictions.”

Yes, USA will win the cup… Brilliant prediction… And at this point Germany does not look good for the cup. This doesnt mean much of course but in a valid prediction one must account for a few things. The two amazing German goalkeeprs are getting old; who knows if they’ll be there? The praised German coach is gone; will his replacement do as well? Germany no longer has the home advantage; did this help their progress. Im not insulting germany AT ALL mind you. I think they’re an amazing team and were better than France this year. Italy, 99th? Yep these predictions get better and BETTER!

Okay dietmar, you critisized JOE72’s comment on “grin” and I see your reasoning for doing this; but take into account the comparison that JOE72 was trying to make. Grin was implying that the corruption in Italian soccer leagues is similar to that of the Italian national team. Two stories regarding the same counry that have NOTHING to do with eachother. So JOE72 thought: “Hey! We might as well throw Hitler into this to show grin what an ignorant and stupid comment that was by using this contrast” Just thought I’d clarify that ^-^

Congradulations to Italian justice for letting people know that punishment will be as severe as the crime. Good luck to the Italian teams in coming back up on top one day.