Comments on: The Beginning of the End for European Coaches in Africa? http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html World Cup South Africa 2010 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:45:51 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Pedro http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html/comment-page-1#comment-529626 Pedro Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:22:14 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html#comment-529626 Lol, i just read my comments and i realised that i referred to Goncalves in the 1st person:-D, my bad. Just a bit of more info, prior to the 2006 afcon and world cup season, Dunga was invited to Angola by the FA and there was an approach for him to act as a "consultant" and Goncalves refused to working under any foreign coach, even more so a back then was a rookie with no coaching experience, now with hindsight i know that he was right as our good showing in the world cup would've solemly credited to Dunga even though he didnt even qualify them to the world cup, thats how fickle the general african supporter normally is. Lol, i just read my comments and i realised that i referred to Goncalves in the 1st person:-D, my bad. Just a bit of more info, prior to the 2006 afcon and world cup season, Dunga was invited to Angola by the FA and there was an approach for him to act as a “consultant” and Goncalves refused to working under any foreign coach, even more so a back then was a rookie with no coaching experience, now with hindsight i know that he was right as our good showing in the world cup would’ve solemly credited to Dunga even though he didnt even qualify them to the world cup, thats how fickle the general african supporter normally is.

]]> By: Pedro http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html/comment-page-1#comment-529596 Pedro Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:57:54 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html#comment-529596 Hey kiko, you will be surprised, some fickle "fans" credit angola's recent success to the players only as they believe the coach adds nothing. Yes kiko plenty of times i got it wrong but so does Mourinho, ferguson, Dunga, and Parreira. History would be kind to the man, it was our second point where a zero point was expected. In fact i think he got it right, remember up to 2006 Angola only played mainly with african's players and in terms of confidence they were not in the right frame of mind to exhibit more offensive play. In terms of respect he gets a raw deal; in 1996 carlos alhinho was the coach he qualified angola to their first afcon, we had only one point in the group stages yet that man until today is revered as a semi-god by the public, although statistics will show you that he achieved nothing, dont you perhaps think is because of his european's connection? Just to add, i would say this african's FAs dont respect the local talent, looked at how keshi was treated after he qualified Togo to the world cup? Looked at how eguaveon was treated after the 2006 afcon, even more recently looked at how the local morrocan coach was sidelined after he secured qualification for the afcon? All these, and they are plenty more examples, were sidelined in favour of the europeans coach and guess what? They brought nothing new or even different. The african coaches need to fight more for their recognition otherwise the tide is not going to change as europeans coaches get more agressive in persuit of the "african market", e.g Lothar Mathaus plea that he is available to coach any top african team, even to a certain extent Marcel Desailly "i want to coach ghana", these coaches need and should prove themselves first at the highest echeleons of football before they should be considered as the "messiah" of african football, which is clearly in ascendancy. Hey kiko, you will be surprised, some fickle “fans” credit angola’s recent success to the players only as they believe the coach adds nothing. Yes kiko plenty of times i got it wrong but so does Mourinho, ferguson, Dunga, and Parreira. History would be kind to the man, it was our second point where a zero point was expected. In fact i think he got it right, remember up to 2006 Angola only played mainly with african’s players and in terms of confidence they were not in the right frame of mind to exhibit more offensive play. In terms of respect he gets a raw deal; in 1996 carlos alhinho was the coach he qualified angola to their first afcon, we had only one point in the group stages yet that man until today is revered as a semi-god by the public, although statistics will show you that he achieved nothing, dont you perhaps think is because of his european’s connection?
Just to add, i would say this african’s FAs dont respect the local talent, looked at how keshi was treated after he qualified Togo to the world cup? Looked at how eguaveon was treated after the 2006 afcon, even more recently looked at how the local morrocan coach was sidelined after he secured qualification for the afcon? All these, and they are plenty more examples, were sidelined in favour of the europeans coach and guess what? They brought nothing new or even different. The african coaches need to fight more for their recognition otherwise the tide is not going to change as europeans coaches get more agressive in persuit of the “african market”, e.g Lothar Mathaus plea that he is available to coach any top african team, even to a certain extent Marcel Desailly “i want to coach ghana”, these coaches need and should prove themselves first at the highest echeleons of football before they should be considered as the “messiah” of african football, which is clearly in ascendancy.

]]> By: Kiko http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html/comment-page-1#comment-529328 Kiko Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:32:37 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html#comment-529328 Pedro The problem with Goncalves is that he gets it totally wrong sometimes (An example would be in the World Cup against Iran, when he brought in a defender even though angola needed to score another goal to go through: Iran ended up scoring as a result!). That really annoyed many people (including me) and it looked like the guy lacked ambition. There are other examples of course. But in the bright side, he got angola to the WC and through to the quarters for the first time, so maybe he deserves another chance. (By the way, I doubt people are complaining about him now!) :) Pedro

The problem with Goncalves is that he gets it totally wrong sometimes (An example would be in the World Cup against Iran, when he brought in a defender even though angola needed to score another goal to go through: Iran ended up scoring as a result!). That really annoyed many people (including me) and it looked like the guy lacked ambition. There are other examples of course. But in the bright side, he got angola to the WC and through to the quarters for the first time, so maybe he deserves another chance. (By the way, I doubt people are complaining about him now!) :)

]]> By: Brad http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html/comment-page-1#comment-529317 Brad Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:19:39 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html#comment-529317 Here's hoping you are right Rami as far as Togo is concerned. In 2006, Nigerian Stephen Keshi led them in an impressive WC qualification but then was fired after the ACN. Otto Pfister came in and did nothing. Can you expect a team to really come together and play well under a European that just comes in and takes over? I'm glad Keshi is back with Togo, I'd prefer him over just about any non-African coach right now. Here’s hoping you are right Rami as far as Togo is concerned. In 2006, Nigerian Stephen Keshi led them in an impressive WC qualification but then was fired after the ACN. Otto Pfister came in and did nothing. Can you expect a team to really come together and play well under a European that just comes in and takes over? I’m glad Keshi is back with Togo, I’d prefer him over just about any non-African coach right now.

]]> By: Pedro http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html/comment-page-1#comment-528981 Pedro Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:43:20 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html#comment-528981 Sorry for my grammar mistakes iam typing from my cellphone Sorry for my grammar mistakes iam typing from my cellphone

]]> By: Pedro http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html/comment-page-1#comment-528977 Pedro Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:39:10 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html#comment-528977 Daryl and crew: i would just like to add that both shehata and goncalves cant go all the way as they cancel each other out in the q-final. Secondly the FAs need to be bold, identify their local candidate and back all the way...and no knee jerk decisions till the contract is over. I will also add that mostly would work well in a team where they are not many ego-triping star players, for these players think they have a better ideas as they are "coached" by the "best", e.g shehata vs mido in the 2006afcon, mantorras vs goncalves prior to the 2006 afcon and world cup season just to mention few examples. 3rdly the public also need 2 b educated in giving the coach a chance, i think in most african countries they think a european coach produces better results, hence people like goncalves are perpetualy being fired by thd public when 1 or 2 results doesnt go their way e.g up 2 a week ago the public was calling for him 2 b fired as he lacked ideas, or so they say, during the world cup the same thing, then it was perceived to lack ambition, damn the man got it right, we were in a team where we were expected to be the weeping boys but yet we suffered only 1-0 defeat and 2 draws, you'll at your 1st atempt and not being a major soccer nation but the public being as fickle they are they still wanna see the back off him everyday, do you guys think that their "demands" is right? Daryl and crew: i would just like to add that both shehata and goncalves cant go all the way as they cancel each other out in the q-final. Secondly the FAs need to be bold, identify their local candidate and back all the way…and no knee jerk decisions till the contract is over. I will also add that mostly would work well in a team where they are not many ego-triping star players, for these players think they have a better ideas as they are “coached” by the “best”, e.g shehata vs mido in the 2006afcon, mantorras vs goncalves prior to the 2006 afcon and world cup season just to mention few examples. 3rdly the public also need 2 b educated in giving the coach a chance, i think in most african countries they think a european coach produces better results, hence people like goncalves are perpetualy being fired by thd public when 1 or 2 results doesnt go their way e.g up 2 a week ago the public was calling for him 2 b fired as he lacked ideas, or so they say, during the world cup the same thing, then it was perceived to lack ambition, damn the man got it right, we were in a team where we were expected to be the weeping boys but yet we suffered only 1-0 defeat and 2 draws, you’ll at your 1st atempt and not being a major soccer nation but the public being as fickle they are they still wanna see the back off him everyday, do you guys think that their “demands” is right?

]]> By: Laurie http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html/comment-page-1#comment-528836 Laurie Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:01:34 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html#comment-528836 Excellent post. And also, what Rami said. Doesn't look like Diouf and company respected Lamine Ndiaye more than they did Henri Kasperczak. It probably depends a lot on both the players and the coach. Like anywhere. Excellent post. And also, what Rami said. Doesn’t look like Diouf and company respected Lamine Ndiaye more than they did Henri Kasperczak. It probably depends a lot on both the players and the coach. Like anywhere.

]]> By: Rami http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html/comment-page-1#comment-528689 Rami Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:01:17 +0000 http://www.worldcupblog.org/african-cup-of-nations/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-european-coaches-in-africa.html#comment-528689 I was watching a show on a Tunisian channel following Angola's second half comeback versus Senegal and an analyst made a good point about the Angolan squad and just African coaches in general. He said that players feel a lot of pride when their coach is from their country and that they will fight for him that much harder if they like him and do not want to see him take the blame for the results. Its not rocket science but the common sense of picking up a coach that knows the country is there. The counter argument is that sometimes the players do not respect domestic coaches sometimes. I think it all should be dealt with on a case by case basis as there is no exact science to picking a good coach. But I think Angola does draw a lot of pride from having a coach from their country guiding them through. I was watching a show on a Tunisian channel following Angola’s second half comeback versus Senegal and an analyst made a good point about the Angolan squad and just African coaches in general. He said that players feel a lot of pride when their coach is from their country and that they will fight for him that much harder if they like him and do not want to see him take the blame for the results. Its not rocket science but the common sense of picking up a coach that knows the country is there. The counter argument is that sometimes the players do not respect domestic coaches sometimes. I think it all should be dealt with on a case by case basis as there is no exact science to picking a good coach. But I think Angola does draw a lot of pride from having a coach from their country guiding them through.

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